I know it was Adam and Eve's sin-but why does their sin have to affect us. Doesn't God give free will? Why do we have to live with the mistake of them?
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You can't understand the fault behind sin if you first don't understand what sin is. I see you're quoting basic Bible teachings, meaning that in the Bible sin is the transgression of the law (found in the first five books of the Bible), similarly with criminal law you break a law and receive punishment, therefore you are responsible for your actions and whatever Adam and eve did is their problem, but the Bible directly quotes that the punishment of sin is death and that is your problem.
I am trying to say that Eve was the first to sin but not the one responsible of all people's actions (E.g. If you eat the first cookie in a jar you aren't responsible for whoever else decides to eat them.) Therefore we aren't responsible for what they did but what we do. They didn't create sin because sin is basically the absence of obedience just like darkness is the absence of light. So if obeying existed so did disobeying and you don't carry her curse but yours.
But wasn't that their curse? why does it have to be generational?
Romans 5:12 states:"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned." That one man is Adam, When Adam and Eve had children, they passed on sin and death to all of their offspring. For example, if you bake a cake in a pan that has a dent in it, the cake will turn out with the shape of the dent that's in the pan. Being imperfect he could not produce perfect offsprings just as the pan could not produce a cake without the flaw that's in the pan. The same is true in the case of Adam who sinned. The only hope we have for this human imperfection is the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ.. Jehovah God gave His only begotten son so that those of us who exercise faith in him can have an opportunity to have our sins forgiven and; therefore, receive everlasting life, (Read John 3:16)..
You are absolutely right, we were created with free will. This means that we all have choices. We can choose to do right or choose to do wrong.The standards as to what is right and what is wrong are spelled out in God's Word the Bible. We must remember that whatever choices we make there are consequences. One of the most important choices we can make is to exercise faith in the Ransom Sacrifice, Jesus Christ.
It's not a curse and it's not generational meaning that since they sinned they received their punishment but if we sin we receive our punishment.
It is your fault because if you know you shouldn't do it then that is your fault. Its not like you created sin but you still should try very hard not to. Go to google and search "What does the bible say about sin?". It will pull up many verses and you should be able to further ingage in it and learn about Jesus Christ our savior.
I don't think that any of you know what I'm trying to say no offense. I mean the very first sin. The bible says that we are all sinners because it became habit after the first sin and it was a curse-an opening for evil. What about us? The first sin was Adam and Eve's fault not ours, so why should we have to deal with their mistake. Like if you were in class and the teacher is about to give everyone in the class a cookie, then, two kids are talking non-stop. And noone gets a cookie-how is that fair?
The bible DOESN'T say we are all sinners because of Adam and Eve's sin but because we transgress the law. That's just catholic doctrine of the first sin. It mentions we are like our ancestor Adam but we have our own free will to do whatever we feel like doing.
...But the Bible DOES say we are all sinners, "For we are all guilty..."
Like I said the bible doesn't say we are all sinners BECAUSE OF ADAM AND EVE'S SIN but we are all sinners BECAUSE OF OUR OWN TRANSGRESSIONS. So we are all guilty of breaking the law.
God says that we are all guilty of sin. But, he says we acquired this sin through Adam and Eve. He says that they're sinful nature will be passed on to their descendants and therefore their curse is generational. We are sinful, but could there have been a possibility that if someone else was in the garden besides Adam and Eve, life would be different?
I don't know what that means...but OK
Sin, singular, is the absence of spirit. Adam had a spirit but it died and so he was unable to bequeath a spirit to his offspring. That is why everybody is born in sin, not because Mommy and Daddy did the big nasty. That is why a savior had to die in our place and make it possible to create a new spirit for us.
Sins, plural, are mistakes, such as throwing a dart and missing the bullseye. Christians are baptised into Christ's death, and dead bodies don't sin, so sins are not an issue for Christians. There is no more forgiveness. Either you believe in Jesus and are saved or you don't believe and are lost.
Read a chapter of Proverbs every day. Proverbs has 31 chapters so you can keep your place by just looking at a calendar. There is no religion or nothing in Proverbs and you don't have to believe anything. Just read every day. When you are comfortable with that, then read the bible from Romans to 2 Thessalonians over and over until you start to remember what it says. That is the part that applies to Christians. You will notice that most of the religious crap you hear from random preachers isn't in there at all. It is made up.
So he passed on a curse? But God says that we can have forgiveness right? So what is believing in Jesus?
"So he passed on a curse? But God says that we can have forgiveness right? So what is believing in Jesus?"
No, it is not a curse. Adam and Eve were unable to bequeath a spirit because their spirits died. Jesus made it possible to have a spirit again, and this spirit is born within so it is not going to die. The Epistle To The Romans carefully explains that there is no more forgiveness and sins don't count any more. Either you believe in Jesus and are saved, or you don't believe and are lost.
"So he passed on a curse? But God says that we can have forgiveness right? So what is believing in Jesus?"
No, it is not a curse. Adam and Eve were unable to bequeath a spirit because their spirits died. Jesus made it possible to have a spirit again, and this spirit is born within so it is not going to die. The Epistle To The Romans carefully explains that there is no more forgiveness and sins don't count any more. Either you believe in Jesus and are saved, or you don't believe and are lost.
But I thought that the Bible did say there was forgiveness, why else would David confess his sins or why would Paul tell the Galatians to stop sinning and repent to find forgiveness in the Lord, how do you believe in Jesus? There are some people who believe in Jesus but not that he is Lord-do they get saved? What about demons? The Bible says that even they know he exists and fear him, why aren't they saved? If all it is is believing in Jesus, isn't that to simple?
"But I thought that the Bible did say there was forgiveness, "
To understand the bible, the first thing you have to get straight is TO WHOM it is addressed. It's like a letter addressed to your brother: you can read it and profit by it, but when it commands to do something you are not bound by that command because it is not addressed to you.
Some people think the whole bible applies to everybody everywhere: that is not true. The old testament was given to the Israelites, and most of the law only applied to the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. Some parts of the law applied to everybody, even strangers passing through.
The law does not apply to Christians, but Christians can read the law and learn from it, and profit in some cases. A Christian is defined in Romans 10:9 & 10 -- nothing there about sins or laws or punishments. Just believe and confess.
"But I thought that the Bible did say there was forgiveness, "
To understand the bible, the first thing you have to get straight is TO WHOM it is addressed. It's like a letter addressed to your brother: you can read it and profit by it, but when it commands to do something you are not bound by that command because it is not addressed to you.
Some people think the whole bible applies to everybody everywhere: that is not true. The old testament was given to the Israelites, and most of the law only applied to the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. Some parts of the law applied to everybody, even strangers passing through.
The law does not apply to Christians, but Christians can read the law and learn from it, and profit in some cases. A Christian is defined in Romans 10:9 & 10 -- nothing there about sins or laws or punishments. Just believe and confess.
Even though the Israelites were God's chosen people, doesn't mean that there is no second chance for us. When God refers only to the Isrelites, the bible says so. A lot of the time-it says all people. Most of the time he says everyone actually. So are you saying that we as not being Israelites cannot achieve forgiveness in Christ. How?
By disobeying God, Adam and Eve sinned. Being their descendants, we inherited their sinful condition. As a result, we are subject to sickness, old age, and death. Through no choice of our own we have inherited an imperfect body along with sin.
Imagine that you are lying in a hospital bed. You are in a ward where everyone suffers from the same illness, a deadly disease with no cure. When you learn that a doctor is spearheading an effort to find a cure, you are hopeful. You eagerly await news of any developments. One day, you learn that a cure has been found. The doctor behind the breakthrough made enormous sacrifices to make the cure possible.
How would you feel? I'm sure you would respect and appreciate the man that opened up the way for you and many others to be delivered from death. This might seem dramatic, but it really corresponds to the reality we face. We needed someone to deliver us from sin and death. God went to great lengths to do that. In order to save humans from sin, God had to provide a means of atonement, to undoing the effects of sin. So he gave his Son as a ransom for our deliverance. It is an expression of God's perfect will and his great love for humans.
God's original purpose did not change. His will is still for humans to live on a paradise earth, as perfect humans. Christ's sacrifice covers us now if we are willing to accept it and work in harmony with it. Yes, we have free will to make wise choices. Under Christ's sacrifice if we make a mistake or even a serious sin we can repent, and put forth all effort to not repeat that sin again. We don't want to practice sin just because we are imperfect. We want to show God and Christ Jesus how much we appreciate what they have done for us. If you were a father, imagine giving your son to die so that other people might live.
My favorite scripture is found at Revelation 21:3-5, there God makes an unbreakable promise with a guarantee. I find comfort, hope and so much love in that scripture. No, it's not our fault that we are sinner, but we can do all we can for now to wait for the full affects of the cure to take place. No need to make our condition worse by not doing all we can to use our free will to make wise choices to stay spiritually, physically, and emotionally strong, until God brings about the final cure. He's going to make all things new.
I'm not sure I completely understand where your going. If Eve started the beggining habit of sin-why does God allow it to affect us even though it was her curse and they're both dead?