In the bible people are told not to kill. The world is cleansed by the great flood because people were corrupt. There are many instances where people do things that anger god.
But in the same bible, it says God looked at all of us when we were in womb and wrote our destiny/fate and thats what dictates what we do, and so what we do is gods will.
Doesn't that mean that murderers and all the people on the old world (before the flood) were also carrying out gods will? Isn't science also part of gods will if that's true? So technically no ones going against gods will because god intended for all this to happen?
If so, then why do people argue that certain things, like abortion or genetic modification are against gods will?
Conflicting points in Christianity?
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There is not one thing in any religious text that is not conflicted, christianity is perhaps the worst of the lot simply because it was primarily used as a political tool so the church leaders often ignored or promoted the parts that supported their personal POV. What many people don't know is that there are many books that are not included in the bible, the book of Judas is perhaps the most important one to be omitted. In it we learn that jesus wanted judas to betray him and as he was his closest friend and disciple and thus was the only one who jesus could trust to do so, Judas's love and faith was so strong he could betray his closest friend at his behest in the full knowledge that he would be vilified and hated for it.
Anyhoo... regarding your science/religion questions those are just examples of people (usually very stupid) cherry picking parts of the bible that seem to support what they want to say in order to be able to say "The Bible supports me, this is what god wants..", it's f*cked up..
The bible also says you can't wear clothes of mixed materials so no polyester and cotton, no wool and nylon, no silk and wool, etc, etc
The bible also says that any woman who is not a virgin at her marriage shall be killed
There are many many more of these things which are conveniently "ignored" as they go against our personal comfort and/or current social thinking.
This is a tough one. Yes, God has a will for each of us. But along with that he has given us free will. That is the choice to make our own choices in life. This means that unfortunately we often made wrong choices, against God's will for us.
The people during the time of Noah were so far removed from the will of God, that God was sad he had created the world. It was because of Noah (and his family) and his faith and obedience to God, that God didn't wipe out the entire earth.
I think that when the bible talks about our destiny in this circumstance, it doesn't mean that the end is already written for us, that is, we are not robots who blindly do things by instinct. What I believe this means is that we are given a purpose for being on the planet and for each it is different. One might be called to be a teacher, another might be required to become an artist, another a stay at home parent. What one is called to do though is not the same as what one does.
It's a bit like a child whose mother asks them to clean their room. The child can obey their mother and do it, or they can do their own thing. Whilst the child might enjoy their choice not to clean at first, they will, eventually have to deal with the consequences and tell their mother why they didn't obey. It is in a similar way that we are each called to do God's will according to his good purposes in our lives, but he has also given us the free will to do what we want with our lives. Like the child in the example, each of us will also have to give an account to God of what we did with our lives. (The day of judgement.)
So to answer your questions, no, the murderers were not doing the will of God. God is the God of life. He brings life, it is only because of sin that death even exists. For the wages of sin are death, but the gift of God is salvation (not death, but life) through his son Jesus Christ. Without God, the world would be a much darker and scarier place than it already is.
With regard to science being the will of God. I'm not sure about that. In my bible at least it doesn't say anything about science. With regard to science, it should be used as a tool to see the creator, not a replacement for him. Science is about theories, whilst it can explain to an extent about aspects of the world around us, it doesn't explain everything. This is where faith comes in.
With regard to abortion I would point you back to my previous point about murder and God being a God of life. I don't have an issue with genetic modification, so long as one life is not created in order to be killed for the sake of another. To be honest, I would need to look more into this to gain a better understanding of it.
I hope this helps clarify at least some of this for you.
Made in God’s likeness, we have the ability to reflect his qualities, such as love, justice, wisdom, and power. God has also given us the gift of free will, or freedom of choice. This makes us unique among his earthly creation. We can choose whether we will follow God’s moral guidance or not. That is why the prophet Moses could say: “I do take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today, that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction; and you must choose life in order that you may keep alive, you and your offspring, by loving Jehovah your God, by listening to his voice and by sticking to him.”—Deuteronomy 30:19, 20.
Having free will does not mean absolute freedom. It does not free us from the physical and moral laws that God made for the stability and peace of the universe. These laws were set up for our good, and any violation of them could lead to serious consequences. Just think of what would happen if we chose to ignore the law of gravity and jumped off the roof of a tall building!—Galatians 6:7.
How unloving and unjust God would be if before we were born, he predetermined the course we would take and then held us responsible for our actions! He does not do this, for “God is love,” and “all his ways are justice.” (1 John 4:8; Deuteronomy 32:4) Having given us freedom of choice, he did not at the same time ‘determine from eternity whom he would save and whom he would damn,’ as believers in predestination assert. Freedom of choice precludes predestination.
First off, take a look at Genesis 2:19. If Adam had not had free will, would Jehovah have brought all the animals to Adam so as to see what he would call them? When Cain was getting ready to kill Abel, how did Jehovah handle it? He gave Cain the opportunity to not to (Genesis 4:6, 7). Does that sound like a person who does not want us to have free will? Today, He still allows us to have free will (compare Revelation 22:11). But, Jehovah still offers us the opportunity not to sin (Amos 3:7). One of mankind's worst problems is that we feel we do not need God's help (Ecclesiastes 8:9; Jeremiah 10:23). Jehovah teaches us how to benefit ourselves (Isaiah 48:17, 18). Since He created us, does it not make sense that He would know is best for us (Revelation 4:11)? Sin brings about death (Romans 5:12). And Jehovah does not want anyone to die (Ezekiel 33:11). Would it be right of Him to just let us kill ourselves? Would it be just of the leader of the entire Universe to not follow His own standards (1 Corinthians 11:3)? Jehovah has given us what we need to survive (John 3:16). It is up to us if we want His help or not.